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Life & Death:

Rush Limbaugh on Terri Schiavo:

"Why does Congress need to get involved in this?"


March 18, 2005

 

RUSH: Let's throw some gasoline on this, shall we, as we near the end of the program, because I just have some observations to make. After listening to the callers we've had today, after listening to myself, which is always a pleasure. I love hearing myself say what I say, as do you, and so I've been thinking and reacting to all these things I've heard and some of the things even that I have said. Like this last guy who called from Indianapolis. Everybody's been nice on the phones today so don't misunderstand. I'm not lashing out at anybody, but he said, "Hey, the relationship between a husband and wife is sacred and what are the parents getting involved here for?" Well, you could say that the parents are not intruding or infringing on any relationship between husband and wife. What they're trying to do is save their daughter's life. What's wrong with that? You know, barring any evidence at all beyond the husband's representations -- I mean, he's got a girlfriend now and a few kids with her, I believe. Somebody said that earlier today. Why shouldn't the parent fight for the life of their child? And this is another thing.

People say, "Why is Congress getting involved in this? What's Congress got to do with this? It's a local case. It's an individual case."

Can I take you back to our founding documents and particularly the Declaration of Independence?

We are all "endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights. The right to life (clearing throat), liberty, pursuit of happiness." You could make the argument that it certainly is a charge of government to defend and protect life, given that this forms one of the building blocks of the foundation of our country, and I find it fascinating here. I've studied this. I've been watching this particularly intensely today as interests outside of the Schiavo family and the Schindler family get involved in this, and I am sorry to say this, but I can't find a liberal Democrat anywhere who's standing up for this woman's right to live. Now, I said I was going to throw some gasoline on this. But, it seems to me that it's Republicans that are doing what they can to protect this woman's life and that takes me back to another case involving the federal government and Florida, and that's Elian Gonzales. This case reminds me -- and just in terms of the sides drawn here in the courts, you know, who is opposing who, who believes what -- of the Gonzales case.

  • I mean, the issues are completely different but the sides are the same. Some of us in this country instinctively defend life and liberty. The other side doesn't.

When it came to the liberty of Elian Gonzales, Janet Reno and the Clinton administration sided with who? Fidel Castro and ignored the wishes of the mother and brought some guy up they said was his father and shipped him back down to this little gulag called Cuba, where we just learned that home makers are going to be given by the state rice cookers, even though there's a rice shortage because of a drought and there's no electricity to use the rice cookers. And we know that the rice cookers were given not to feed people but because there was a black market being developed in rice cookers and the state in Cuba cannot handle the black market entrepreneurism. So they'd send a little boy off to tyranny; they would end this woman's life with apparently no compunction. It's just interesting to see the sides, and the battle lines drawn here, and it's amazing to me who you can always find standing up for life and liberty, and it just happens to be conservatives and Republicans that do it. I mean, if I'm wrong, if somebody can show me where the Democrats in Washington, the Democrats anywhere, are speaking up about this, I'll be glad to correct myself.

Liberals Have Created Culture of Death,
But Without Life We Can't Have
Liberty

 

March 18, 2005

 


BEGIN TRANSCRIPT

 

RUSH: ... All right. Here's where we are. I've got a Washington Post editorial I was to bounce off of today in discussing the Schiavo case. Now, a Florida judge is going to hold a hearing at 12:30 eastern time, about 21 1/2 minutes from now, to make yet another determination of this. A one o'clock deadline today to remove the feeding tube from Terri Schiavo. US Senate Republicans sought to keep Terri Schiavo alive today with an invitation to bring her to Washington. You talk about a nuclear option. Mike Enzi issues a request to make her a witness, along with her husband, which protects her. So we can use this nuclear option out there to (interruption) well, it is. It's sort of a nuclear option here, trying to get around some of the roadblocks that have been placed in front of her parents. I've seen national polls at least flashed on television screens today, and if you're to believe them, the vast majority of the American people believe that a spouse should be the one making the decision here, not the parents, and it's overwhelmingly in support of removing the feeding tube. This, I think, is a result of the decades-long effort we've made to de-legitimize life. We've de-legitimatized life in the womb and we say, "Well, that life is not going to have a good life." So based on our own convenience we have abortion and based at the end of life now, based on our own convenience, "Ah, nobody would want to live this way, we don't want to take care of people this way," so we decide who lives and dies based on our own convenience now. And it's worked in terms of the public opinion.

I'm sure that these people think that the right thing to do is pulling the feeding tube is based on they can be compassionate for Terri Schiavo to do this, because after all, who would want to live in her current state? But, of course, then much greater concerns, long-term ramifications, the desensitization of the sanctity of life. Stuff doesn't happen overnight, and it hasn't happened overnight. It's been going on for years and years and years and years. We're more and more comfortable now with doctors determining who is fit to live and who is not. We all know the circumstances involving abortion, and as these things multiply and continue over a number of years, it gets easier and easier and easier to disregard the sanctity of life and have that sanctity replaced with something that assuages our guilt when we decide that somebody's not fit to live for one reason or another. We say, "Well, it's the best thing." It makes it easier to live with the decisions that we make. You know, it's been a very slowly evolving plan. For the life of me, I don't understand it. I don't understand what the left has to gain with all this, but I don't understand much about what the left does, at any rate. I guess simplest way to explain this here, the House and Senate cannot agree on legislation regarding Terri Schiavo. The Senate passed the Enzi request for her to become a witness. The House used broader language in legislation specific to Terri Schiavo, and they don't want to make this -- the House doesn't want to make this just for a specific single case, thinking that that would set a precedent for other specific case midnight-hour events in Congress. They're going to try to get together next week on this, try to get an injunction, a 10-day injunction on the removal of the feeding tube.

As I said, Senator Mike Enzi has subpoenaed Terri Schiavo to testify before his committee, and that means that she would have legal protections prohibiting the removal of the tube. They've also gone to the
US district attorney to ask for a temporary restraining order to stop the removal of the tube, and if a judge grants it, that gives her at least a day, perhaps 10 days and that would give Congress more time to act. The reason the House and Senate were not able to come to agreement on this yesterday is the House recessed for their Easter break after they passed their legislation. The Senate had not yet, so they weren't able to get together and sort of work out a compromise. Now, the Washington Post today I think is a good way to bounce off of this. I want to read portions of their editorial today and respond to it. It's entitled "The Schiavo case." And it starts this way: "Congress does not generally smile these days on the power of the federal courts to review alleged constitutional errors by state courts. In 1996 it imposed significant procedural barriers for inmates who want their claims examined -- even inmates who might face execution and those who might be innocent. The idea was that the national government should defer to state courts and not seek to micromanage their justice systems -- even in matters of life and death." Now, what's the first thing that strikes you as you read this? The US Supreme Court overruling the states twice in the last 18 months. The Texas sodomy law and the juvenile death penalty law. The US Supreme Court said (raspberry) to states' laws and just said, "You're behind the times. You're going to find international sources, both custom, social, and legal, in order to rule the way we want to rule."

 

Now, here's the Washington Post all upset that this is being done in this case. "Except, apparently, in the case of Terri Schiavo, the Florida woman in a persistent vegetative state whom the Florida courts, after careful consideration, decided would not want to live under such circumstances. With Ms. Schiavo's feeding tube scheduled to be removed today, Congress sprang into action to pass legislation granting the federal courts the power to review the state court judgments that would let her die. (The Florida legislature is, for the second time, also acting to force her to continue living.)"

Note the language here. "That would let her die, would force her to live." That's exactly my point. Let her die, force her to continue living. "On Wednesday night the House of Representatives passed a bill to let 'an incapacitated person' -- or someone who cares about him or her -- go to federal court whenever a state court 'authorizes or directs the withholding or withdrawal of food' and when there is no undisputed living will. The Senate passed a narrower bill yesterday that would deal with Ms. Schiavo's case alone -- allowing her parents, who wish to keep her alive, a shot at the federal courts. Both bills make a mockery of the professed conservative devotion to the sovereignty of states and the integrity of their courts. There is no great constitutional question to litigate here. Nonetheless, the broader House bill would create endless opportunities to involve the federal courts in heart-rending end-of-life struggles within families. And the Senate bill is nothing more than a warrantless intervention by the national legislature in a specific case that -- no matter how much members might dislike the result -- is no business of Congress." Of course, steroid hearings in baseball are. The closing paragraph here in the post editorial. "The message to state courts is that they can do as they will with accused criminals and rely on federal law to shield them from review, but Congress will pull out the stops to overturn rulings -- however local -- that members don't like. That's not how the federal system is supposed to work." Folks, I can't wait to tackle this.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

Once again, the Washington Post editorial on the Terri Schiavo case today focuses on conservatives and conservative hypocrisy here in coming to her defense via the federal system. The Washington Post editorial probably speaks for many on the left. It underscores how liberals cherry-pick morality and distort the views of conservatives in order to advance their own priorities. I mean, when you get right down to it, the left doesn't believe in state authority either. They're totally willing to overturn it whenever it suits their needs. They believe in judicial authority at all levels of government. They believe that judicial authority overrides Congressional authority. They selectively read the constitution, and they ignore the explicit authority of Congress to rein in the judiciary, which Congress has the total constitutional right to do that. They argue for federal supremacy whenever they believe it will buttress their causes. So here we have a case where the federal legislature, the Congress, trying to come to the aid of a state legislature. In other words, the representatives of the people, elected representatives of the people, are struggling to address judicial decisions that will result in the death of this woman.


In fact, not just this woman, but the thousands and thousands of people who are or who will be in a similar state in the future. So one of the Congressional proposals is to empower the federal courts to consider the issue which are subject to the jurisdiction of Congress. Now, that's not to say that the federal courts will rule properly either. Who knows? But this is a legitimate constitutional act of Congress to do this. And it's time that we understand how our government's supposed to work and reject efforts to mischaracterize both what the Constitution says and what we as conservatives interpret the Constitution to say. I mean, the idea that the judiciary has trump power over Congress, that the judiciary has the last word, that's something that's evolved, folks, but it's not constitutional because the judiciary is not elected. The Congress is. They are the elected representatives of us, the people, and they certainly have the power to rein in the judiciary. Now, I don't know who writes these editorials for the Post, but it certainly would help if they were intellectually honest. First off, nobody has said -- certainly not me -- that the federal courts have no role in our system of government. Which is what this editorial implies. Clearly, federal courts do. But here's the difference: That role that federal courts have in our system does not include setting policy for the nation, which is what has unfortunately evolved. In particular, judges are not free to impose their personal policy preferences on the nation. They do it because nobody stops them. But they are not free to do it. Federal judges have a say on what the Constitution means, but they don't have the only say for all purposes. There are other branches of government that have constitutional powers as well.

Now, conservatives also know, because we read the Constitution, our federal elected representatives have the power to establish the lower federal courts to determine the jurisdiction of those courts, and this may come as a shock to somebody, and to decide the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court, except for some specific powers granted by the Constitution to the Supreme Court, but they're not relevant to this discussion. So if Congress acts to empower the federal courts to hear this case, Congress is acting within its constitutional authority. And yet here's the Washington Post all raving and panicky, "Oh, no how do you do this, usurping power, this is typical of what conservatives want to do," blah, blah, blah. It's not. This is constitutional. Now, if you want to say that conservatism is typically constitutional, fine. I'll raise my hand and say, "I'm guilty. I am proud to say that constitutionalism equals conservatism." Now, the fact here is that the
Florida legislature and the governor have already acted to prevent the feeding tube from being removed from Terri Schiavo, but the state courts ordered it removed anyway. I didn't read any concern by the Washington Post about the proper role of the Florida courts, did you? I only read that according to the editorial, the state courts have the final say.

You see, the liberals believe in government by judiciary whether we're talking about federal courts or state courts. Not a word about the will of the people or the right of the representative branches to act, judges are king whether they be on the federal or state variety, particularly when they rule as liberals would have them rule. The problem we face in the country here, folks, is that the left and the courts have created a culture of death. From abortion on demand, including partial-birth abortion to embryonic stem cell research, assisted suicide, and our elected representatives at the state and federal level are struggling with ways to deal with this. Because we have all come to accept the fact that when a court says something, that that says it all. And, of course, you know, we do have this culture of death. We are becoming more and more tolerant with killing people at the beginning and end of life. It's going to somewhere descend to the middle of life at some point. And we've all fooled ourselves into believing that we're doing it for them, when it's actually being done for our convenience and our desires in the vast majority of cases. Now, there's a constant effort by liberals to distort the meaning of federalism, too. They argue for states' rights when state courts are issuing orders they like, like when the Massachusetts Supreme Court ruled on same-sex marriage. They had no problem with that. Or when the
Florida courts ordered the feeding tube removed from Terri Schiavo. They ignore intentionally the fact that the legislatures in these states are facing the same kind of judicial tyranny as we do at the federal level.

 

In Massachusetts, the Supreme Court ordered the legislature to come up with a law on same-sex marriage. It's the other way around: Legislatures, the elected representatives of the people, pass these laws and then it goes on up to the Supreme Court, unfortunately, to determine whether it's constitutional or not. So these state legislatures face the same kind of tyranny. They're being overruled. In Gore/Bush 2000, the Florida Supreme Court routinely ignored state law on election counting, writing their own rules from the bench as they were hearing these appeals, and the Florida legislature was sitting there twiddling its thumbs saying, "What are we here for?" So let's put it this way: If we adopt the logic of the Washington Post and the left when it comes to cultural issues in particular, the state legislatures are at the mercy of the state and federal courts, which means that we, the people, are at the mercy because these courts impose an agenda on the people that the people of these states do not want. And if Congress -- the other representative legislative body of the people -- tries to intervene and help a state legislature under siege, we are then lectured that this violates federalism, even though Congress has the constitutional power to do this. None of this would even be an issue if education in this country were just adequate. If it were just adequate when it comes to teaching the Constitution. But it's not, and that's one of the problems with the left having control over education.

So in short, the radical cultural agenda imposed on society should be left untouched by any of the elected branches of government. That's what the left believes. And the reason they believe it is because that's the only way they can get their radical leftist agenda woven into the fabric of our society. Precisely because they can't win on these issues at the ballot box or in state legislatures, barring a few exceptions. They have performed an end run and done so utilizing the courts. And, by the way, folks, it's not as if anyone is being forced to take care of Terri Schiavo, either. Her parents want to assume responsibility for her care. I mean, there's a party here that's clearly willing to step in and be inconvenienced, if you will. This is not a small issue. No one is saying that her so-called husband has to continue to care for her or pay her bills. He's fighting for the right to end her life, which the courts have granted, and it's chilling. And I know a lot of you disagree with this. A lot of you think, "Come on, Rush, this is the husband. It's his decision. She wouldn't want to live this way." Well, I don't know that anybody's ever ascertained that as fact. We're just assuming it and projecting our own circumstances as being hers and what would we do. But she never said herself. Now, this reminds me of a case I remember in
Oakland, California. I was working in Sacramento back in the '80s and I'll tell you about it when we come back.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

Folks, keep in mind also here, and I think this is a fundamental aspect of this, Terri Schiavo is not on life support systems. She is receiving nutrition through a feeding tube. Now, just look for a second how far we have fallen in just a few decades. Look how this whole question has degenerated from questions of whether extraordinary means of life support for terminally ill patients will be provided, to now whether we will provide basic nutrition to an incapacitated person. I mean, this is a tremendously dramatic change. There has to have been here a serious devaluation of life on the left, backed up by court decisions, that a major portion of the public is concerned about. That's why so much interest in this case, and that's why Congress is getting involved. Abortion in this country is now viewed as a choice between life and a lifestyle.

No longer does the left even bother to argue viability. They support partial-birth abortion. That is, aborting babies that can live can live outside the woman's womb. What about our putative next president here, Queen Hillary? I mean, she claims to be concerned about abortion all of a sudden. She claims to be moving to the center on cultural issues, yet I don't think she said anything about the Terri Schiavo case. She says nothing about partial-birth abortion, and the reason is precisely because she embraces this mentality, but wants you to believe that she doesn't. Now, as far as I'm concerned, there is no more serious issue in this country than how our society views life. You don't have liberty without life, folks. Terri Schiavo did not leave a living will. There's no evidence of any kind that she wanted to die under these circumstances, and what are we talking about here? Do we want the government to allow people to be starved to death? We're not talking here about heroic means of life support. Even if she lacks a higher brain function, she'll certainly suffer if she's starved to death. Two weeks, it takes. Should we stop feeding Alzheimer's patients? They don't know what's going on. They're not aware of anything. They can't feed or think for themselves. Should we just, you know, pull the tube? Not feed them? What about Parkinson's patients? Where does this stuff end?

The way we're going now, these people don't have a chance because all these decisions are being made based on the convenience to the living, disguised as compassion for the soon-to-be killed. Where do we draw the line when it comes to basic care for the infirm and the otherwise helpless? The Washington Post editorial doesn't even bother to weigh in on that nor do very other members of the left. Instead, they play this pseudo-federalism game, which is not only intellectually dishonest, but as I explained earlier, it's tremendously callus. Now, I just want to tell you a story here to illustrate to you this is not a unique case, it's not new. It involves life. Now, this case, the Schiavo case, is not about abortion, but it's all about life here. The case I'm going to tell you about is incredible. It's about abortion. I'm going to take you back, this is 1984, '85. I was working in
Sacramento. There were a couple living together, were not married. They were in Oakland, in their 20s or 30s. The woman in the relationship was seven months pregnant when she had a brain aneurysm. They rushed her to the hospital and kept her alive so that the fetus could be brought to term. Whereupon the parents interceded to remove life support systems from this woman, and thereby let her baby die.

 

Now, the problem here was that there was a father involved. He was not a husband, but he was a father. And he steadfastly said, "I want this baby. It's mine. We made this baby together. This will be a legacy, of sorts. I will care for, my family will care for and raise this child." The feminists got involved in this case out there and it went to court. For the feminists, this was a huge issue. I mean, the last thing the feminists wanted in this case was for the judge to decide in the case of the father because that would destroy the whole concept of a woman's right to choose. Now, the woman in this case was in a coma. She wasn't choosing anything. It was her parents. But the feminists simply could not allow this child to be born, even though it was already seven months along, because that would totally destroy the political aspect of their cause. And this fight raged and raged. I'm sorry, I don't remember what the outcome of this case was. It would be easy enough to look up. But it's not the point. The point is that there was a culture of death then. And in this case, it was amazing. The woman could be kept alive, in a hospital, and the baby could be born, even though she was brain-dead. Father, not the husband, wanted that to be the case but he was fought by the girl's parents, the woman's parents, and feminist lawyers. And it was just stunning.

I thought it was one of the greatest illustrations of the politics behind abortion that I'd ever seen. And it was clear what was at stake for the feminists here. But the point of it all is that this is how this culture of death gets going. And I think the parents said, "Well, we don't want this child. It will be too painful. It will remind us of our daughter." They didn't want it and, of course, they had legal standing as family because they were parents and this guy was not married to the woman. I think the guy lost the case. I'm not actually sure. I don't think the baby was born, now that I think about this. But still, the point is that we have a situation here, should we stop feeding Alzheimer's patients when we can't determine whether they can feed or think for themselves? What about Parkinson's patients? Once we become comfortable with all this, and this has been my concern about all of this from the get-go, aside from one specific case. It's what the result of a specific case and then multiplied by similar case outcomes can cause to happen with the fabric of a society. And if you're like me, I mean, you can't have liberty without life. And if we're going to become cavalier about life, and if we're going to determine on our own selfish terms who lives and who dies, I guarantee you that more people are going to die under the guise of compassion and understanding for them when actually it's not about them at all. We're just telling ourselves that to make ourselves feel better or assuage our guilt.

We are going to be determining who lives and dies based on how much trouble it's going to be to us if somebody lives and dies. But in terms of the trouble aspect here, no life support systems, just a feeding tube. Parents are willing to assume the responsibilities of care and so forth. It's not going to burden the state. It's not going to burden the Hospice. It's not going to burden the hospitals. It's not going to take up a bed that could better be used by some more deserving patient, which is another thing happening in hospitals, thanks to healthcare insurance rates being so high. Need those beds. You need turnover in there. One of the ways you turn over beds is to pull feeding tubes away from patients. Well, I mean, folks, I've seen this. I don't want to get into details, but I've seen it up close. There's no question that the pressure on healthcare systems leads us also to this kind of thinking. But in this case, there is no such pressure because the parents are willing to assume care and we're not talking about expensive life support systems. This is just a feeding tube. So we got a two week death here of starvation. It's called compassion. She wouldn't want to live this way. And, in the meantime, we can't drill up in Alaska because it might upset some caribou, might upset some polar bears or whatever else. We can't dig for oil because it might upset a couple of trees. We certainly can't be inhumane or unkind or even embarrass terrorists, but when it comes to people like Terri Schiavo, they may as well not exist. Just may as well not exist.

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RUSH: ... You're up first today. Hello...

CALLER:
... I can't imagine what's going on with this and the woman is going to starve to death. This isn't a woman who needs a machine to breathe. This isn't anybody who -- you know, it's not a matter of just, you know, a quick death. This is going to be a long, drawn-out, could take weeks. She's going to lose weight. Her kidneys are going to shut down. I mean, this isn't something that's going to -- that just like get out of our way because it's inconvenient. Terri Schiavo is going to be like a judge is going to order her to die, to starve to death and they don't have the guts to give her what they call a compassionate death of a lethal injection.

RUSH
:
Well, yes, the starving to death is considered the compassionate way of doing this. But no, see, here's the thing. This is, I think, the rationalization for it. We remove the feeding tube, she can't feed herself. We haven't killed her. She just dies. We are going to allow her to die. I love this from the Washington Post: We remove the feeding tube. She can't feed herself. So she's allowed to die. Those who object to the removal of the feeding tube are forcing her to live. Now, that little passage from the Washington Post pretty much sums up where we've gotten here on this culture of death business. But, of course, there are other concerns here. She does have a husband and her husband states that this is what he wants, it's what she would want. The problem is, she hasn't said this. I'll tell you what, folks, you know, I've been talking and particularly in relationship to this Ashley Smith involvement with Brian Nichols and had a discussion last night about it. I got to tell you a story when we lighten up here a little bit later on, about this dinner party I had last night. It was funny. We were discussing at this dinner party last night the whole Brian Nichols and Ashley Smith circumstance, and I made the point to the august gathering at the dinner table that -- because we're all trying to figure out what happened and why it worked. And there were some critics of Ashley Smith. I couldn't believe it. One person last night even said, "I think she was raped." And I practically stood up and started making a speech there at the dinner party. I said, "That's not what happened. I mean, you're projecting your own emotion into what you would have done had this guy captured you." You would have been angry, but she was scared to death, trying to save her life, wants to see her daughter. So what she did, she told him what she wanted. She turned the tables. She humanized herself. She talked about her family. She talked about her daughter, talked about herself, made herself something other than just an object hostage.

So anyway, she told him what she wanted. And now, this is curious. If you don't want to become a Terri Schiavo someday, you better have one of these living wills that specifies what you want. If you do not want to live under such circumstances or if you only want to live so long, give medical science so long to revive you, you better state it, because you never know what's going to happen. If the patient in the case, if there were a legal written document, a record here, it would be academic. But it's not. So we've got other people assuming to know what she would want, when nobody can know because she can't tell us. So once again, when we assume that we think we would know what she'd want to do, we have no idea. We're simply projecting what we think we would do in the same circumstance, and assuming she's just like us. But we don't know that.
So the way the authorities and the left and everybody else who is in favor of this gets around the aspect of killing, "We're not killing, we're just removing the feeding tube. She can't feed herself. She's going to die." That's pretty convoluted and twisted. That's putting yourself into a pretzel here to absolve yourself of any guilt in this situation, or circumstances.

 


 

"I Want the Woman to Die"

 

March 23, 2005

 



BEGIN TRANSCRIPT

 

RUSH: We go to Abiquiu, New Mexico, and Chris. Welcome, sir. Nice to have you.

CALLER: Well, thank you very much. Incidentally, Terri Schiavo is on pain medication as are all people that are in her condition right now. What's fascinating to me is the hysterical hyperbole that's flying from the right wing on this. Apparently now, if you remove someone from a ventilator, what you're really doing is smothering that person to death and you're a murderer. Or, if you remove someone from a heart pump, what you're really doing is you're maliciously forcing that poor person to suffer a heart attack and you're a murderer. Come on, Rush. No, she can't feel euphoria. Neither can she feel pain.

RUSH: Wait a minute, Chris. I haven't said any of that. And I don't know where you're hearing it or where you're reading it or what have you, but I'm not --

CALLER: What you're saying --

RUSH: I said the other day there extremists on both sides of this way out there, and I've not gone to what I think is an extreme anyplace, but there are extremists everywhere out there.

CALLER: Well, no, and I'm not an extremist either.

RUSH: You know, that's still not my question to you, what does what conservatives say about this have to do with your opinion on it? I mean, conservatives may be hypocritical, they may have some kooks, crackpots out there trying to define death in the manner in which you expressed it and so forth, but what does that have to do with what you think about it?

CALLER: Well, what I think about it is I think that the whole situation from the right is pandering to Protestant Christians in this country.

RUSH: So what? What's that got to do with it? You think the woman ought to die so the pandering to the Protestant Christians doesn't succeed?

 


CALLER: No, I think the woman ought to die because she has no life to live. I think it was her wish as expressed to her husband.

RUSH: Okay. All right, so you're going to accept the faith of the husband's word--

CALLER: Why wouldn't I?

RUSH: -- and give it the force of a document in court? Well, no, that's fine. I'm trying to understand how those who want the woman to die, as you just admitted you want her to die, come to that conclusion? And that helps me in your case.

CALLER: I want the woman to die, basically because I believe she wanted to die. I have not met anybody who would want to live as she is living.

RUSH: But, you know, we don't know. You're projecting. See, this is the dangerous thing.

CALLER: And you're not?

RUSH: No, I'm projecting nothing. I'm standing up for the sanctity of life. I'm not presuming to know anything in this.

CALLER: You don't presume that she wants to go or wants to stay?

RUSH: No. I don't presume to know that whatsoever.

CALLER: Well, a great many people that I've heard on your show over the past couple of days actually do. And maybe you're calling them extremists, and I understand that --

RUSH: Wait, wait, wait, have we had any calls from people who claim they know what Terri Schiavo wants?

CALLER: No, but you have had people who claim to know that God needs help with this -- there was a caller the other day --

RUSH: We've had none of those either, we've had none of those calls either.

CALLER: You haven't?

RUSH: No, no. Maybe you should listen. You know, this show is not what you liberals think it is. You create these clichés out there, and you think that all these God, you know, Christians are calling and taking over the country and so forth and none of what you just described has been said by anybody on this program this week, including me. I don't presume to know what she wants. I don't presume to know what she ever did want, I don't know the woman, I don't know any of the people involved in this. All I've been talking about all week is the concept of life, how precious it is, how we all only get one, and I've been amazed at the eagerness and the enthusiasm that some like you have for the woman to die. You've had no compunction whatsoever to just say the words, "I think she ought to die." That scares me.

  • Who else did you think ought to die? Next year, two years from now, what do you think if I should die because you don't like all the extremists that call my program? You know, where's this going to end up?


I fully supported what the Congress did because Congress has an Article 3 right to do so. I support another new review of this. We're talking life. What can it possibly hurt? What can it possibly hurt anybody to review the case again, at the federal level? What harm ensues to anybody? What harm? I don't see the harm that ensues in looking at the case one more time. Nobody can convince me there's any harm in that. Doesn't harm Mr. Schiavo, doesn't harm her, doesn't harm her family. Who does it harm? I don't understand it, why so many people can think that there's something horrible about looking into this again at a different level, under the guise that maybe due process hasn't been fully played out here, as the Fourteenth Amendment guarantees each of us. The states cannot deny any of us life, liberty, or property without due process. And I'm not sure due process has taken place here. This is a matter of the Constitution to me. As I said in the program, I'm not a social conservative or a process conservative or anything of the sort, but I just don't understand what the harm is in letting this woman live. I'll never understand -- well, sadly, I do understand it. It makes me sick.

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A question for those of you who are our friends on the left, just answer it honestly to yourself. How many of you want Terri Schiavo to die simply because some Christian conservatives want her to live? How many of you have rejoiced when had a death row inmate has been saved because of later investigation into DNA? Do you want Terri Schiavo to die because some Christian conservatives want her to live? Is that it?

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Gruesome Spectacle of Left's Passion
for Death Turns Morality on Its Head

 

March 23, 2005

 



BEGIN TRANSCRIPT

 

I told you yesterday, this is going to be the outcome at the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals, and I'll predict to you now the US Supreme Court will not even hear the case. They don't have much of a track record of getting involved in these kinds of cases. The case will go to Anthony Kennedy first, he can decide to do it on his own or decide to take it to the full court, but I wouldn't hold out. I mean, you can hope, I don't want to take hope away, but my guess is that what we're now looking at here is making something meaningful of the death of Terri Schiavo. Some people are calling this now the Roe vs. Wade of euthanasia, the Roe v. Wade of the euthanasia movement. I'll tell you just as I said yesterday when I opened the program. There are some larger issues here that I want to continue to hammer on, but we're going to be getting into other areas too. In fact, let me just give you the headline so you know what's coming so you can decide whether or not you want to listen to this program today. Here's headline number one, Support Falters in Senate for the Nuclear Option. Headline number two, Social Security Sellout Feared. Most Americans No Good at Investing, that's another story to make you opposed to Social Security. Then we have the next one, Report Says bin Laden Eluded US Forces in Tora Bora.

So the military sucks today. The Senate's not going to do the nuclear option; Social Security reform is falling apart, that isn't going to happen, and the military is horrible because they let bin Laden get away. And that just barely scratches the surface. All right, now back to the Schiavo business here for just a second. So the 11th Circuit Court, three-judge
panel, 2-1, not to have a new hearing in the case. And this 2-1 decision, if this doesn't underscore the importance of our involvement in these judicial fights in the Senate, nothing will. Every federal judge that has heard this case, that has ignored the will of Congress and ruled against taking a new look at this case, was appointed by Bill Clinton. The one judge at the 11th circuit, the dissenting judge who said, 'Follow congressional intent,' the dissent in this 2-1 ruling was appointed by George H. W. Bush. And I say, there will be a tremendous amount of meaning, a number of different meanings associated with the pending death of Terri Schiavo.

So you have here the arrogance of the judiciary. It is deplorable, showing no respect for Congress, the president, more importantly, us the people. And, by the way, I understand that many of you in this audience, as has been the case throughout the history of this program, not so much recently, but in the early days of the program, some of you, even though you're big fans and you support the vast majority of what you hear on the program, this got you fit to be tied. I'm hearing from you, I'm reading your e-mails, you're angry, you think I don't know what I'm talking about. You're worried about the ramifications of the 2006 and the 2008 elections. And you can go ahead and be mad at me, and if you want to threaten not to listen anymore, you go ahead and threaten not to listen. If you don't want to listen, don't listen, I mean that's totally up to you. I'm not going to start pandering here and I'm not going to start responding to some of these emotional pleas that I'm getting. I'll tell you what I don't care about. I do not care about public opinion polls on this case. I have grown sick and tired of watching cable news anchors interview supporters of Terri Schiavo and say, "But wait, but wait, what about the polls of the American people which show that the feeding tube ought not be reinserted?" Is this what we've come to? We're going to poll the American people on who lives and dies? Okay, let's take a poll, and let's suggest that some of you get killed. I'll bet you have enough enemies that we could get some of you sentenced to death in a public poll if you want to go that way. I mean, the efforts being made by the supporters of death in this case to find backup for what they believe are no less than shuttering to me, they are astounding and they are a little bit frightening.

It remains unbelievable to me the fact that this gruesome spectacle is happening before our eyes. Make no mistake about it, folks, there is this relentless effort to see this poor, innocent girl die.
There's no other way you can say it. You can say, 'No, Rush, it's about the husband's rights and it's about death with dignity." By the way, have you heard the latest? Euphoria is what happens when you are starved and dehydrated to death. The LA Times found a doctor. Euphoria, unbridled, unchecked happiness, a sense of goodness and goodwill all around you as you are being starved and dehydrated, the LA Times found this guy, he's a doctor in
North Carolina. It does, it sounds like the ultimate high. I mean, here you've just starved yourself, and, you know, dehydrate yourself and experience euphoria. But this relentless effort to see this poor, innocent girl die, and in dying to see the heart of her family shattered into a thousand pieces. The passions on this are so aroused. I can understand the passion for life. I don't understand the passion for killing. I guess I'm out of touch with some of you people on this. And this argument that we need to remove the feeding tube and this woman needs to die, "America won't be right until this woman dies." This argument is made from people who would go thermonuclear if food and water was denied to bin Laden or Zarqawi if they were captured or John Wayne Gacy while he was on death row, or any of the prisoners at Abu Ghraib. What a bizarre point to which we have come.

 

It's like we've gone down a rabbit hole in Wonderland. Liberalism has turned morality wholly on its head.

 

  • A friend of mine who is a Catholic wrote a note this morning. "This is what we mean by the culture of death, old boy. Everything turns inside out and upside down." So we've peered into the heart and center of liberalism this week. It has been deeply revealing; it has been stomach-turning at the same time.

But make no mistake, folks, I understand how tough it's going to be to change minds on something like this.

  • You know why the culture of death is fairly entrenched? Because the culture of death resides now in every family's desire for convenience and pleasure, not to be burdened by some sick family member. People who are wanting this woman to die are projecting, and they're seeing themselves somewhere down the road where it was a family member of theirs in similar circumstances and they would like to just get rid of the person or remove the tube or whatever so that they wouldn't be burdened and they could move on and they could tell themselves how they've done something notable and laudable and good and dignified.

  • They don't want any outsiders be it the state, be it the federal government, the court interceding at what they want to do. So in many cases, and I mean it from the bottom of my heart, selfishness has triumphed here along with all the cop-out arguments that people are making to assuage their guilt about this.

  • This is the epitome of selfishness when you boil it all down.

And some people say, "Well, Rush, you're sounding pretty pessimistic about this. Do you see this changing?" I do think that there is going to be a day of reckoning on this. You know, the baby boomers, and as you know, I am a baby boomer but I've not been a big advocate of my generation because I think a bunch of the baby boomers have been selfish and "me" centered and me-focused for their entire lives. The baby boomers have determined every cultural zeitgeist of every decade since they arrived. Zeitgeist, for those of you in Rio Linda, is the spirit of the times. So it's been the baby boom generation that has defined the spirit of the times by virtue of their selfishness and their me-ism and everything revolving around them. Now, the baby boomers are starting now just to get old enough to understand that down the road they may not be the decider in this case, but they're getting near the age where they may be the decidee. And even at this point, the decidees, the future decidees, the baby boomers who are getting close to that period in their lives where the plug may be pulled on them, "Well, I would want the plug pulled, I wouldn't want to be an inconvenience, I'd want that plug, I'd pull the plug myself." Yeah, it's easy to say now before it happens to you. It's easy to say before you have any choice in the matter. It's easy to say when you have choice in the matter. So that's where we are on the circumstances today. And I just wanted to put on the table how I feel about this.

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I was misinformed earlier, and as a result I erred, ladies and gentlemen. A
Clinton appointee, judge Charles Wilson appointed in '99, was the dissenting judge at the 11th circuit and the majority was judge Edward Carnes, a Bush 41 appointee in '92, and Frank Hull, appointed by Clinton in 1997. So I wanted to correct that.

 


 

Is This Your New Values Message, Liberals?

 

March 23, 2005

 


BEGIN TRANSCRIPT

 

I want to expand just a little bit here on my question to liberals that was in the last 40 seconds of the previous hour. And that is this -- and I don't want you to call with this, it doesn't matter -- I just want to ask yourself, I know we have many liberal friends in the audience listen to this program, take notes, catalog, try to find evidence of hypocrisy and error and all that, so I know you're out there. So while you're there doing whatever else you do with this program, ask yourselves a question, and get as deep within yourself, perhaps even reach in your soul, as you can when you answer the question. You don't have to answer it for anybody, just yourself. Why do you want this woman to die? I should say you might have to be honest and make that admission at first. Fox News reporting, by the way, that the family is appealing for a rehearing by the full 11th Circuit Court, they want a hearing that would be before it would go to the US Supreme Court, that's the latest news development on this, but you liberals out there, admit you want her to die. We just had one caller say so. The energy on the side of death in this is evident. You want her to die. Now, why?

Why do you want her to die? That's the question I want you to ask yourselves. What's the harm in her living through another review? You know, you liberals out there, whenever a death row inmate is saved because of a technological advancement such as DNA, death row inmate say for 14, 15 years, and all of a sudden DNA shows he's innocent, why, we all celebrate, we're all happy, we all want appeal after appeal after appeal after appeal after appeal after appeal after appeal after appeal after appeal after appeal after appeal, when it comes to guilty or presumed or even judged-guilty death row inmates. Then we got DNA, all of a sudden, bammo, shows some of them are innocent, we let them go, we're all happy about this. But why is such process in this case not warranted? What did this woman ever do to us? What did she do to you? Are you so desirous of being able to kill your spouse one day that you want this to set a precedent? Help me out here. Could it be -- and I suspect this is the real answer -- could it be that you have been so pent up with rage and frustration over the Christians in this country? You just hated the success of The Passion of the Christ. You hated the outpouring of support for that movie, you just despise the red state, hayseed, holy roller crowd that you think is steamrollering the country.

 

Maybe this is just payback; you want this woman to die because Christian conservatives want her to live, and since you don't like Christian conservatives so much you want them to be disappointed. You want them to find out what it's like to be on the losing side. You want them to find out what it's like to not get away with everything they want just because they're Christians. Is that it? Does it really have nothing to do with Terri Schiavo, does it have solely to do with the fact that you want payback? You're so excited for the Christian conservatives to lose that even if it requires the death of this woman, you'll take it? If that's true, if that's the case, if I have nailed it, and as I say, my liberal friends, I'm on this, I'm on it like white on rice, cold on ice, dots on dice, drugs on Miami Vice. If that's your motivation, if that's what you want, you are making a huge political miscalculation and error. You are probably thinking that this is finally going to end the GOP rule. You are thinking that this finally is the day of your emancipation from the judgmentalism of those holy roller hayseed hicks with gun racks in the back of the pickup driving around Mississippi. You probably believe that this is going to end their dominance because people are going to find out what they're like. Ah. What's going to happen is that you are participating in a process which is playing out here over days, which is focusing attention on the fact that there are people who actively, eagerly support her death and you are happily calling talk shows and writing letters to the editor and having your spokesman on television talk about this, and you think this is going to help you in two years politically? All you're doing with this supposed "getting even" with the Christian right is swelling their ranks. You are going to cause the biggest payback you have ever seen aimed at you in the next elections. While you think that you are getting even now, and maybe setting yourselves up for some victory parade in '06 and maybe '08, the people who proudly, eagerly, wildly, happily clamor for the death of an innocent woman day after day after day after day over a period of what may ultimately be a week or two before this is all played out, are not going to end up winning.

Your smart move would have been to side with this woman's life. You're trying to figure out why you don't win in the red states, trying to figure out all these things. All these promises the left made us after the election, "Well, we're going to have a new policy, Howard Dean, we're going to make appeals to the people in the red states, we're going to get our values message right." Is this it? Is this your new values message, my friends, on the left? If this is your new values message, I would submit not only is it not new, but it's a dead letter. And it's going to come back to your mailbox with a thing on it says "insufficient postage." And it's going to come back to haunt you because this is not the kind of movement, this is not the kind of thing around which a majority political movement is built in this country, clamoring for death, admitting that you want a woman to die. No matter how you characterize it, husband's rights, spousal rights, family rights, federalism versus states' rights, however you want to assuage your guilt about this, the fact of the matter is that your emotional investment here of being on what you think is a losing end for so many years to these dreaded Christians, your desire for payback now by making them lose on this issue, is actually going to only cement your further decline as the months and days roll on, which is, if I may be honest, one of the reasons I have so prominently featured the story on this program. Anything that hastens the demise of the left, of course, I am, within the political arena of ideas -- now, let's be honest, where I operate -- I'm all for that.

One final story here, this is from
Pinellas Park, Florida, Reuters story, "Conservative Christian groups have called for mass vigils--" but they are not the only groups that are supporting Terri Schiavo. "Eleanor Smith of Decatur, Georgia, sat on Tuesday in a motorized wheelchair in front of the hospice, baking in the sun, with a sign on her lap reading, 'This agnostic liberal says 'Feed Terri.' Smith, 65, had polio as a child and described herself as a lesbian and a liberal who had demonstrated before in support of the disabled and causes supported by the conservative establishment's archfoe, the American Civil Liberties Union. 'What drew me here is the horror of the idea of starving someone to death who's vulnerable and who has not asked that to happen.'" She said, this agnostic liberal, "At this point I would rather have a right-wing Christian decide my fate than an ACLU member."

 



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